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"Interrogativa Cantilena."If all the world were paper,And all the sea were inke;If all the trees were bread and cheese,How should we do for drinke?"If all the world were sand'o,Oh then what should we lack'o;If as they say there were no clay,How should we take tobacco?"If all our vessels ran'a,If none but had a crack'a;If Spanish apes eat all the grapes,How should we do for sack'a?"If fryers had no bald pates,Nor nuns had no dark cloysters;If all the seas were beans and pease,How should we do for oysters?"If there had been no projects,Nor none that did great wrongs;If fiddlers shall turne players all,How should we doe for songs?"If all things were eternall,And nothing their end bringing;If this should be, then how should weHere make an end of singing?"

"Interrogativa Cantilena.

"If all the world were paper,And all the sea were inke;If all the trees were bread and cheese,How should we do for drinke?

"If all the world were paper,

And all the sea were inke;

If all the trees were bread and cheese,

How should we do for drinke?

"If all the world were sand'o,Oh then what should we lack'o;If as they say there were no clay,How should we take tobacco?

"If all the world were sand'o,

Oh then what should we lack'o;

If as they say there were no clay,

How should we take tobacco?

"If all our vessels ran'a,If none but had a crack'a;If Spanish apes eat all the grapes,How should we do for sack'a?

"If all our vessels ran'a,

If none but had a crack'a;

If Spanish apes eat all the grapes,

How should we do for sack'a?

"If fryers had no bald pates,Nor nuns had no dark cloysters;If all the seas were beans and pease,How should we do for oysters?

"If fryers had no bald pates,

Nor nuns had no dark cloysters;

If all the seas were beans and pease,

How should we do for oysters?

"If there had been no projects,Nor none that did great wrongs;If fiddlers shall turne players all,How should we doe for songs?

"If there had been no projects,

Nor none that did great wrongs;

If fiddlers shall turne players all,

How should we doe for songs?

"If all things were eternall,And nothing their end bringing;If this should be, then how should weHere make an end of singing?"

"If all things were eternall,

And nothing their end bringing;

If this should be, then how should we

Here make an end of singing?"

Edward F. Rimbault.

Mount Mill, and the Fortifications of London(Vol. ix., p. 174.).—B. R. A. Y. will find that the name is still applied to an obscure locality in the parish of St. Luke, situated close to the west end of Seward Street on the north side. The parliamentary fortifications of London are described in Maitland'sHist., and Mount Mill is noticed in Cromwell'sClerkenwell, pp. 33. 396. This writer supposes that theMount(long since levelled) originated in the interment of a great number of persons during the plague of 1665; butthis, I think, is a mistake, for the Mount is mentioned in a printed broadside which, if I remember rightly, bears an earlier date. I cannot furnish its title, but it will be found in the British Museum, with the press-mark 669. f. 8/22. A plan of the city and suburbs, as fortified by order of the parliament in 1642 and 1643, was engraved by George Vertue, 1738; and a small plan of the same works appeared in theGentleman's Magazinea few years afterwards (1749?).

W.P. Storer.

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Standing while the Lord's Prayer is read(Vol. ix., p. 127.).—A custom noted to prevail at Bristol: in connexion with it, it would be interesting to ascertain in what churches there still remainanyusages of by-gone days, but which have generally got into desuetude. It is probable that in some one or other church there may still exist a usage handed down by tradition, which is not generally recognised nor authorised in the present day. Perhaps by means of our widely spread "N. & Q.," and the notes of its able contributors, this may be ascertained. By way of example, and as a beginning, I would mention the following:—

At St. Sampson's, Cricklade (it was so before 1820), the people say, "Thanks be to Thee, O God!" after the reading of the Gospel; a usage said to be as old as St. Chrysostom.

At Talaton, Devon, where the congregation turn towards the singing gallery at the west end, during the singing of the "Magnificat" and other psalms, at the "Gloria" they all turn round to theeast.

At Bitton, Gloucestershire, two parishioners, natives of Lincolnshire, always gave me notice before they came to Holy Communion, as it was theircustomalways to do.

When a boy, I remember an old gentleman, who came from one of the Midland Counties, always stood up at the "Glory" in the Litany. In many country churches, the old women make a courtesy.

In many country churches, the old men bow and smooth down their hair when they enter the church; and women make a courtesy.

H. T. Ellacombe.

Rectory, Clyst St. George.

In a late Number of your miscellany, you say it is a general practice for congregations in churches tostandduring the reading of the Lord's Prayer, when it occurs in the order of Morning Lessons. In my experience, I do not remember any such custom prevalent in this part of the country; but may mention, as a curious and (as far as I know, or ever heard of) singular example of kneeling at the reading of St Matt. vi. and St. Luke xi., that at Formby, a retired village on the Lancashire coast, my first cure, the people observed this usage. The children in the schools were instructed to kneel whenever they read the section of these chapters which contains the Lord's Prayer. And at the "Burial of the Dead," as soon as the minister came to that portion of the ceremony where the use of the Lord's Prayer is enjoined, all the assembled mourners (old and young, and however cold or damp the day) would devoutly kneel down in the chapel yard, and remain in this posture of reverence until the conclusion of the service. I observed that their Roman Catholic neighbours, who often attended at funerals, when they happened to be present, did the same. So that it seemed to be "a tradition derived from their fathers," and handed down "from one generation to another."

R. L.

Great Lever, Bolton.

This custom is observed in the Cathedral at Norwich, but not (I believe) in the other churches in that city. I remember seeing it noticed in a very old number of theGentleman's Magazine, and should be glad if any of your correspondents could tell me which number it is. I have looked through the Index in vain. The writer denounced it as aPopishcustom!

A dead Sultan, with his Shirt for an Ensign(Vol. ix., p. 76.).—Mr. Wardenwill find a long and interesting description of Saladin in Knolles'Turkish History, pp. 33. 57., published in London by Adam Islip in 1603. I take from this learned work the following curious anecdote:

"About this time (but the exact period is not stated) died the great Sultan Saladin, the greatest terrour of the Christians; who, mindfull of man's fragilitie, and the vanitie of worldly honours, commanded at the time of his death no solemnitie to be vsed at his buriall, but only his shirt in manner of an ensigne, made fast vnto the point of a lance, to be carried before his dead bodie as an ensigne. A plaine priest going before and crying aloud vnto the people in this sort: 'Saladin Conquerour of the East, of all the greatnesse and riches hee had in this life, carrieth not with him after his death anything more than his shirt.'"—"A sight (says Knolles) woorthie so great a king, as wanted nothing to his eternall commendation, more than the true knowledge of his salvation in Christ Jesu."

W. W.

Malta.

"Houd maet of laet" (Vol. ix., p. 148.).—One of your correspondents desires an explanation ofthisphrase, which he found in the corner of an old Dutch picture. It is a Flemish proverb; I translate it thus:

"Keep within bounds, though 'tis late."

It may either be the motto which the artist adopted to identify his work while he concealedhis name; or it may be descriptive of the picture, which then would be an illustration ofthisproverb. Inscribed either by the artist himself, or by some officious person, who thus "tacked the moral full in sight."

I think I have seen a similar inscription somewhere in Flanders on an antique drinking-cup, a very appropriate place for such wholesome counsel.

I should like to know the subject of the picture your correspondent refers to. In modern Dutch the proverb reads thus:

"Houd maat of laat."

E. F. Woodman.

The above Dutch proverb means, in English:

"Keep within bounds, or leave off."

Ἁλιεύς.

Captain Eyre's Drawings(Vol. ix., p. 207.).—The mention of Captain Eyre's drawings of the Fortifications in London, and the editorial note appended thereto, remind me of an inquiry I have long been desirous of making respecting the curious, if authentic, drawings by this same Captain Eyre, illustrative of Shakspeare's residence in London, described in one of your earlier volumes (Vol. vii., p. 545.). I have not myself had an opportunity of consulting Mr. Halliwell's first volume, but a friend who looked at it for me says he could not find any account of them there. In whose possession are they now?

M. A.

Shrewsbury.

Sir Thomas Browne and Bishop Ken(Vol. ix., p. 220.).—HadMr. Mackenzie Walcottreferred to a preceding volume of "N. & Q." (Vol. viii., p. 10.), he would have seen that the "coincidences" between these writers had been already noticed in your pages by one of the bishop's biographers.

The life of Ken, from the pen of your correspondent, is omitted inMr. Mackenzie Walcott'slist, and may be equally unknown to that gentleman as the note before mentioned; but in theQuarterly Review(vol. lxxxix. p. 278.), and in many pages of Mr. Anderdon's valuable volume,Mr. Mackenzie Walcottwill find ample mention of the work in question.

J. H. Markland.

Unfinished Works(Vol. ix., p. 148.).—J. M. is informed that Dr. Shirley Palmer'sMedical Dictionaryis finished. From the Preface it appears to have been finished in 1841; but not published (in a complete form) till 1845, with the titleA Pentaglot Dictionary of the Terms employed in Anatomy, &c.; London, Longman & Co.; Birmingham, Langbridge.

M. D.

"The Lounger's Common-place Book" (Vol. ix., p. 174.).—The editor of this publication was Jeremiah Whitaker Newman, who died July 27, 1839, aged eighty years. Some information respecting him and his work, supplied by me, appeared in theGentleman's Magazine, June, 1846.

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