Mr.Hubert. Was it more or less than you were receiving before?
Mr.Armstrong. Well, it was a little more.
Mr.Hubert. What was it?
Mr.Armstrong. It was $60.
Mr.Hubert. Instead of $45?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Other than that money, did you receive any money from Ralph Paul or any of the brothers and sisters of Ruby?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. Or, from any other source?
Mr.Armstrong. No, no more than tips, you know, like that.
Mr.Hubert. Yes, I understand that, but I mean no other sums of money in excess of $5?
Mr.Armstrong. Pardon?
Mr.Hubert. No other sums of money in excess of $5?
Mr.Armstrong. $5?
Mr.Hubert. Well, let’s put it this way—you received your salary and you received tips?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Did you get any single tip that was over $5 at any time?
Mr.Armstrong. Oh, yes; they had single tips—I always have. Certain customers come in lots of times and give me $6 or $8 and sometimes $10.
Mr.Hubert. Well, would you say that $10 was the highest?
Mr.Armstrong. Ten was about the highest.
Mr.Hubert. You haven’t received by way of tips any sum, say, more than about $10?
Mr.Armstrong. Well, that was 1963 or 1962?
Mr.Hubert. No, I’m not talking about that far back.
Mr.Armstrong. No—you mean after the assassination?
Mr.Hubert. Yes.
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. I understand you to say you are having a hard time now, is that right?
Mr.Armstrong. Very hard.
Mr.Hubert. You have no money saved?
Mr.Armstrong. There was—it’s gone, you know, a few bucks that I had saved. In fact, I have been paying bills.
Mr.Hubert. How much was that money?
Mr.Armstrong. That I had saved?
Mr.Hubert. Yes.
Mr.Armstrong. Well, it amount to about a couple of hundred dollars, I guess.
Mr.Hubert. You had it in cash?
Mr.Armstrong. In cash.
Mr.Hubert. And other than that, you didn’t have any money anywhere?
Mr.Armstrong. I didn’t have any money.
Mr.Hubert. You didn’t have any money in any way—in a bank, I mean?
Mr.Armstrong. No more than—other than $90 I received from income tax.
Mr.Hubert. You mean a refund?
Mr.Armstrong. A refund. The reason why it was so hard is because my wife, she lost her job, the business she worked for, they went out of business just a little bit before the Carousel closed up.
Mr.Hubert. This is off the record.
(Discussion off the record. At this point Counsel Hubert marked exhibits as hereinafter shown.)
Mr.Hubert. Now, I have marked these exhibits as follows:
Exhibits 5300 A-F, inclusive; 5301 A-E, inclusive; 5302; 5303 A-M, 5304 A-B, inclusive; 5304 A-S, inclusive; 5306 A-B, and 5307-A. Now, I show you a group of pictures which I have marked for identification, “Dallas, Tex., April 14, 1964, as Exhibit 5300-A, -B, -C, -D, -E, and -F, Deposition of Andrew Armstrong.” And I have signed my name on each one of them for identification, there being six pictures altogether. I should like you now to look at those six pictures after which I wish to ask you some questions regarding them. Now, I ask you whether you recognize what place is in the background of these pictures?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
(Examining pictures referred to.)
Mr.Hubert. Now, state what it is?
Mr.Armstrong. One of themis——
Mr.Hubert. No; the place that’s in the background—that’s a picture of what?
Mr.Armstrong. Let me see—that’s the picture of the Carousel.
Mr.Hubert. You are talking about Exhibit 5300-A?
Mr.Armstrong. Right.
Mr.Hubert. Is that true also of Exhibit 5300-B?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Now, there are four others, Exhibits 5300-C, -D, -E, and -F. Is the background of those pictures different from the background of Exhibits 5300-A and 5300-B?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. What is the background of Exhibits 5300, -C, -D, -E, and -F?
Mr.Armstrong. It’s the background of the Colony Club and the Empire Cleaners.
Mr.Hubert. Is that nearby the Carousel?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Now, on all of these pictures in series Exhibits 5300, there is a man, is there not?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Who is that man?
Mr.Armstrong. Jack Ruby.
Mr.Hubert. Now, in all of these pictures, there are two girls; is that right?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. One of them has blonde hair and seems to be dressed in black, has a black sweater, apparently, and black pants visible in some of the picture; do you know who she is?
Mr.Armstrong. Kathy Kay.
Mr.Hubert. What is her full name?
Mr.Armstrong. Kathy Coleman, I think it is.
Mr.Hubert. Now, there is a second girl in there who seems to be dressed in a dress with horizontal stripes in the top part of the dress and vertical stripes in the bottom part of the dress, a blonde-haired girl, do you know who she is?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Who is that?
Mr.Armstrong. That is Alice Alexander.
Mr.Hubert. Alice Alexander?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes—Alice Alexander.
Mr.Hubert. Now, let’s turn first to Kathy Kay and let me ask you what you know about her?
Mr.Armstrong. Nothing; but she was a stripper and she was there when I came here.
Mr.Hubert. Do you remember the time when these pictures were taken?
Mr.Armstrong. No; that’s the first time I ever saw them.
Mr.Hubert. Do you believe that Kathy Kay was a stripper when you first went to the Carousel?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. And she was there all the way through the time you were there?
Mr.Armstrong. She was there all except for the time she left, for about maybe 3 weeks or maybe a month, and she came back.
Mr.Hubert. Well, she was there at the time Oswald was killed?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes; but not after that.
Mr.Hubert. You mean she stopped after that time?
Mr.Armstrong. Right—she stopped.
Mr.Hubert. What about the other girl whom you have identified as Alice Alexander?
Mr.Armstrong. Alice Alexander—she was there when I got there and she quit, and she and Jack would always—they would fight frequently and she would come back, and she was there when—during the assassination.
Mr.Hubert. As I understand it, she was there when you first went to work in May 1962?
Mr.Armstrong. Right.
Mr.Hubert. What did she do at the club?
Mr.Armstrong. She was a waitress.
Mr.Hubert. She was not a stripper?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. And she and Jack would fight, you say?
Mr.Armstrong. A difference of opinion.
Mr.Hubert. But they never got to hitting one another?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. And she would quit sometime?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. But she was there at the time of the assassination of the President and of Oswald?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Now, how long had she been there, dating back from the assassination of the President and of Oswald, and from the last time she had quit?
Mr.Armstrong. Oh, it’s hard tosay——
Mr.Hubert. A month or so?
Mr.Armstrong. She had been back longer than that, I’m sure.
Mr.Hubert. Did she quit once or more than once?
Mr.Armstrong. She quit three or four times—I would say—about four times, and was back in there.
Mr.Hubert. Let’s take the last time she quit, when did she quit the last time?
Mr.Armstrong. The last time was sometime during the summer.
Mr.Hubert. And how long did she stay away?
Mr.Armstrong. About a month, I guess. She never was away no more than a month.
Mr.Hubert. And do you remember about the time she came back?
Mr.Armstrong. No; I sure don’t.
Mr.Hubert. Do you think it would have been more than 2 months before the President was killed?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes; I’m pretty sure it was.
Mr.Hubert. Do you think it would be more than 3 months?
Mr.Armstrong. I don’t know—I couldn’t say.
Mr.Hubert. You are sure it would be more than 2 months but you are not sure it would be as long as 3 months?
Mr.Armstrong. As I say, if she had been working as a waitress all the time, I would know, but a lot of times—half the time she was working as a cocktail girl.
Mr.Hubert. Now, what is the difference between a cocktail girl and a stripper?
Mr.Armstrong. Well,—in other words, a cigarette girl.
Mr.Hubert. Oh, a cigarette girl?
Mr.Armstrong. She would have the cigarettes—sell the cigarettes.
Mr.Hubert. Did she dress like she was dressed in the pictures that are marked Exhibits 5300-A through 5300-E when she sold cigarettes?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. That was the way she dressed?
Mr.Armstrong. She would be dressed in a dress. She was selling cigarettes then.
Mr.Hubert. Do you know if there was anything between Ruby and her of a sexual nature?
Mr.Armstrong. No; not that I know of.
Mr.Hubert. Is she married?
Mr.Armstrong. She was.
Mr.Hubert. Who is she married to; do you know?
Mr.Armstrong. She has been married—but she was—I don’t know her husband’s name.
Mr.Hubert. Did you ever know her by the name of Fillmore?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. Did you know a girl by the name of Grace Fillmore?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. Or Gloria Fillmore?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. You didn’t know any such person as Gloria Fillmore?
Mr.Armstrong. Not that I can recall.
Mr.Hubert. What happened to this girl called Alice Alexander after the assassination?
Mr.Armstrong. She stopped for a while and then she came back later on.
Mr.Hubert. And she stayed until the club closed?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes; she was there.
Mr.Hubert. Did she have any boy friends you know of?
Mr.Armstrong. Not that I know of—she never had anybody come up thereand——
Mr.Hubert. And get her and take her home?
Mr.Armstrong. And get her and take her home.
Mr.Hubert. Did you ever see Ruby taking her home?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. Do you know where she lived?
Mr.Armstrong. Somewhere in Irving, but I don’t know.
Mr.Hubert. Where?
Mr.Armstrong. In Irving, Tex.
Mr.Hubert. [Spelling] I-r-v-i-n-g?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. How do you remember that?
Mr.Armstrong. Wait a minute; I’m sorry, it’s not Irving—it’s Grand Prairie, because there was an AN number—that’s Grand Prairie.
Mr.Hubert. Is that far from Dallas?
Mr.Armstrong. No; it isn’t far from Dallas.
Mr.Hubert. Did she drive a car?
Mr.Armstrong. She drives a car.
Mr.Hubert. Now, I notice in the sign which appears in the background of the photographs identified as Exhibits 5300-A and 5300-B, there are two other names—Tammi True and Sal Ember—who is Tammi True?
Mr.Armstrong. Tammi True was a stripper.
Mr.Hubert. Was she there at the time of the assassination?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Did she stay on afterwards?
Mr.Armstrong. She stayed on.
Mr.Hubert. Until the place closed?
Mr.Armstrong. She wasn’t there at the time—she was there prior—no, she was there before the assassination—some weeks she had quit—served out her contract and she came back afterwards.
Mr.Hubert. How longbefore——
Mr.Armstrong. About a week, I would say.
Mr.Hubert. You didn’t let me finish my question—how long before the assassination of the President did her contract expire, so that she left or quit about a week, you say?
Mr.Armstrong. About a week.
Mr.Hubert. And she had been there for some time?
Mr.Armstrong. She had been there—she was there when I got there and she was booked there off and on all while I was there.
Mr.Hubert. What about Sal Ember?
Mr.Armstrong. That’s not Sal Ember—that should have been—you see, some of the letters are missing—this was—this should be Cindy Embers.
Mr.Hubert. Let’s take the top line first—the pictures, Exhibits 5300-A and 5300-B show on the top line the letters [spelling] S-a-l. You say that that was wrong and it should be something else and that some letters are missing?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. What should it have been?
Mr.Armstrong. Well, the Sal should have been Sal Vincent.
Mr.Hubert. Vincent [spelling] V-i-n-c-e-n-t?
Mr.Armstrong. Something like that—I think so.
Mr.Hubert. Who was Sal Vincent?
Mr.Armstrong. A comedian.
Mr.Hubert. Now, the next name that appears on Exhibits 5300-A and 5300-B in the sign in the background below the word [spelling] S-a-l, is the word Ember [spelling] E-m-b-e-r, and I think you said that’s wrong too, because of the absence of letters?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. What should have been the letters?
Mr.Armstrong. Cindy Embers.
Mr.Hubert. Cindy [spelling] C-i-n-d-y?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Embers [spelling] E-m-b-e-r-s?
Mr.Armstrong. Right.
Mr.Hubert. And who was that?
Mr.Armstrong. A stripper.
Mr.Hubert. Was she there at the time of the assassination?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. When did she leave?
Mr.Armstrong. She left sometime ago—back, I think, the last time she was booked there was back in the summer. She never worked there over 3 or 4 weeks.
Mr.Hubert. And what about Sal Vincent?
Mr.Armstrong. He did—the first month after Wally Weston left.
Mr.Hubert. When did Sal Vincent leave, how long before the death of the President?
Mr.Armstrong. About a month, I would say.
Mr.Hubert. And how long had he been there?
Mr.Armstrong. About a month.
Mr.Hubert. And now, is it safe to say then, that these two pictures, Exhibits 5300-A and 5300-B must have been taken during the month of October 1903?
Mr.Armstrong. Right.
Mr.Hubert. Because that’s the only time when that sign would have made sense as to when those people were there?
Mr.Armstrong. Right.
Mr.Hubert. You don’t recall the occasion when these pictures were taken?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. Mr. Armstrong, it is necessary for us to recess your deposition for a short period of time and during this recess will you please examine the other pictures I have shown you and then we will resume your deposition later.
(Short recess.)
Mr.Hubert. Now, Mr. Armstrong, we discontinued or recessed your deposition about 20 minutes to a half hour ago.
Mr.Armstrong. Right.
Mr.Hubert. And now we are recommencing it and you understand, of course, that this is just merely a continuation of the deposition under the same authority under which it began, and that you must consider yourself under the same oath that you were at first?
Mr.Armstrong. Right.
Mr.Hubert. Now, I show you a group of five pictures marked Exhibits 5301-A, B, C, D, and E. I have placed on the back of them “Dallas, Texas, April 14, 1964, Deposition of Andrew Armstrong,” and signed my name and I have given each one an exhibit number as indicated. Now, I would like for you to look at those pictures for a while and then I am going to ask you some questions concerning them.
Mr.Armstrong. [Examined exhibits referred to.]
Mr.Hubert. Now, in all of the five pictures which compose Exhibit 5301, there is a man; who is that man?
Mr.Armstrong. Jack Ruby.
Mr.Hubert. Also in all of those pictures there are two girls, and will you agree with me that in all five of them one girl is always on the left side of the picture as you look at it and one girl is always on the right side of the picture as you look at it?
Mr.Armstrong. Right.
Mr.Hubert. Can you tell who the girl on the left side of the picture is in each one of these pictures?
Mr.Armstrong. Joy Dale.
Mr.Hubert. Joy Dale?
Mr.Armstrong. In other words she was Joyce McDonald.
Mr.Hubert. Who is the girl on the right-hand side, the blonde girl?
Mr.Armstrong. “Little” Lynn.
Mr.Hubert. Is that the same as Karen Bennett Carlin?
Mr.Armstrong. Right.
Mr.Hubert. Do you remember when these pictures were taken?
Mr.Armstrong. No; I sure don’t.
Mr.Hubert. You mentioned some time ago that you recall when some individual named Rocco came in and took a group of pictures?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Were you there when he took the pictures?
Mr.Armstrong. Not that particular one. I didn’t know he made that one. It could have been done while I was out tending the bar or something like that.
Mr.Hubert. Do you recognize the scene that is in the pictures in the series Exhibit 5301?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. What is that, please?
Mr.Armstrong. That’s the office.
Mr.Hubert. Jack’s office?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. What is it the two girls are sitting on?
Mr.Armstrong. That’s the couch.
Mr.Hubert. Now, tell us what you know about the girl in the left-hand side of the picture as you look at it, that is to say, the girl with the dark hair?
Mr.Armstrong. Well, all Iknow——
Mr.Hubert. And whom I think you have identified as Joyce McDonald.
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Whose stage name, shall we say, was what?
Mr.Armstrong. Joy Dale.
Mr.Hubert. What do you know about her?
Mr.Armstrong. Just that she is a stripper at the club.
Mr.Hubert. How long had she been there?
Mr.Armstrong. She had been there some—maybe 4 months before the assassination.
Mr.Hubert. Do you think she came about the middle of the summer, then, July or August?
Mr.Armstrong. Let me see—let’s see—September.
Mr.Hubert. Mid-September?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Do—how do you fix that, Mr. Armstrong?
Mr.Armstrong. Well, it was around the time that Wally left. I don’t know whether she was there right after Wally left or just before Wally left.
Mr.Hubert. Had she ever been there before, do you know?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. How long did she stay after the assassination?
Mr.Armstrong. She left sometime—during the—about 3 weeks in January of 1964.
Mr.Hubert. You mean she was there 3 weeks in January and then quit?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Do you know where she lived?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. What salary do those strippers get?
Mr.Armstrong. Anywhere from $100 to $125.
Mr.Hubert. A week?
Mr.Armstrong. A week—some of them made $150—some was $200.
Mr.Hubert. Do you know what the relationship was between Joyce McDonald and Jack Ruby, if any?
Mr.Armstrong. Just a business relationship as far as I could see.
Mr.Hubert. Did she go out to dinner with him?
Mr.Armstrong. Not that I know of.
Mr.Hubert. Did there seem to be any kind of social relationship between them?
Mr.Armstrong. Not that I know.
Mr.Hubert. Did there seem to be any kind of romantic or sexual relationship between them?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. Did Ruby have any sexual or romantic relationships with any of the girls in his club?
Mr.Armstrong. Well, I would say he had some, as far as I know romantic relationships. In other words, he was always on the make.
Mr.Hubert. Well, coming to Joyce McDonald, do you think she—that he was on the make with respect to her?
Mr.Armstrong. I would not state definitely, but I believe he probably tried.
Mr.Hubert. Did she have any boy friends around there?
Mr.Armstrong. No; not that I know of.
Mr.Hubert. Do you know whom she lived with?
Mr.Armstrong. No; I sure don’t.
Mr.Hubert. Did she drive an automobile?
Mr.Armstrong. She didn’t drive.
Mr.Hubert. How did she get to and from work; do you know?
Mr.Armstrong. Usually somebody would bring her to work—I only saw her downstairs getting out of a car once and some man drove her to work, and that’s the only time I ever saw her getting out of a car.
Mr.Hubert. You would usually leave at night before they did, didn’t you?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. What about the other girl, the one on the right-hand side of the pictures as you look at them, which have been identified as series Exhibits 5301-A through 5301-E? I think you have said that the girls there, the blonde, is “Little” Lynn or Karen Bennett Carlin, is that correct?
Mr.Armstrong. That’s correct.
Mr.Hubert. She was married to Bruce Carlin?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes; that’s what they said.
Mr.Hubert. She was the one, or rather her husband was the one that Jack didn’t want around the club?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. She was the one, I think, that you called on Friday, the day of the assassination to tell her that the club would be closed that night?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. And that you could not reach the next day?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Now, do you know anything about either of these two girls that you have not testified to so far?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. Now, I show you a single picture which I have marked on here for the purpose of identification as follows: “Dallas, Texas, April 14, 1964, Exhibit 5302, Deposition of Andrew Armstrong,” and I have signed my name, and I ask you to look at that picture. It seems to be the picture of a man, and I ask you whether you can identify that man or not?
Mr.Armstrong. That’s Rocco, the photographer, that made the pictures—took the series of pictures at the Carousel Club.
Mr.Hubert. He was there for a week, you said?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. And what period of time was that?
Mr.Armstrong. What?
Mr.Hubert. What period of time was he there—when was that week?
Mr.Armstrong. Around the 1st of November.
Mr.Hubert. From the 1st to the 7th or 8th of November?
Mr.Armstrong. Something like that—yes.
Mr.Hubert. Did he pay anything for the purpose of taking those pictures—did—to your knowledge, did he pay anything?
Mr.Armstrong. Not to my knowledge.
Mr.Hubert. He got the consent of Mr. Ruby?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Now, I want to show you a series of pictures which have been marked for identification as follows, to wit:
“Dallas, Texas, April 14, 1904, Exhibit 5303, Deposition of Andrew Armstrong,” and I have marked my name on each of them, and they are numbered, in addition to Exhibit No. 5303, of which they form a part of the series, they are numbered A through I, and I ask you to look at those pictures, please.
Mr. Armstrong [examined pictures referred to].
Mr.Hubert. All right, now you have examined the several pictures constituting Exhibit 5303, marked in a series as A through I, and I will ask you whether you can recognize anybody in any of these pictures?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Let’s then take Exhibit No. 5303-A, first, and tell me whom you recognize in that picture?
Mr.Armstrong. This right here—the first picture.
Mr.Hubert. We are talking about the top picture on the left hand side—right?
Mr.Armstrong. Right—is Joy Dale, and the M.C. that’s shown in all of these pictures, the little man on the stage—give me a minute and I will try to think of his name, but coming down the line, the second picture on the left hand side is Tammi True.
Mr.Hubert. That’s the girl?
Mr.Armstrong. That’s the girl—she is being held up by a very huge gentleman by the name of—oh—I know his name—his name is Tiny—he comes in the club quite often and he usually gets the same seat—a special chair we had there for him.
Mr.Hubert. This picture appears several times, does it not?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. That is to say, it appears in the third row of the left-hand picture?
Mr.Armstrong. Right.
Mr.Hubert. And it appears in the bottom row of the left-hand picture, correct?
Mr.Armstrong. Right.
Mr.Hubert. How often would that man come to the club?
Mr.Armstrong. Well, he started to coming there back in the summer—last summer and he was usually there—he very seldom missed a weekend.
Mr.Hubert. You knew him only as Tiny?
Mr.Armstrong. As Tiny.
Mr.Hubert. You never heard his last name?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. Was he friendly with Ruby?
Mr.Armstrong. Not friendly—just that—he didn’t well, you could say they was friendly, but they didn’t know each other, anything about each other’s backgrounds, or anything like that.
Mr.Hubert. Did you see him talking with him?
Mr.Armstrong. No, not conversationally.
Mr.Hubert. Did you see them go out together and come back together?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. Did he spend a lot of money there?
Mr.Armstrong. No, a few beers was all.
Mr.Hubert. Did you ever see him with anyone else?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. He always came alone?
Mr.Armstrong. One time he came there with a couple other guys, but just once, otherwise, he was all alone.
Mr.Hubert. Did you know the other men he came with?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. You don’t remember when he came in with the other two men?
Mr.Armstrong. No—the top pictureis——
Mr.Hubert. Wait a minute, before we leave the big man called Tiny, when was the last time you saw him, to your knowledge?
Mr.Armstrong. Three or four nights ago—Saturday night—I think.
Mr.Hubert. You mean this past Saturday night?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. You are talking about April 11?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Where did you see him?
Mr.Armstrong. At the Theatre Lounge.
Mr.Hubert. Do you work there now?
Mr.Armstrong. No, I stopped by and say hello to a friend of mine that works there and bartends.
Mr.Hubert. And he was over there?
Mr.Armstrong. I have saw him in there, oh, about four times I think in the last month—I would say.
Mr.Hubert. And prior to that, when was the last time you saw him?
Mr.Armstrong. Prior to that—the last time I saw him was at the club.
Mr.Hubert. When was that?
Mr.Armstrong. Oh, I would say it was probably the last weekend before we closed.
Mr.Hubert. He continued to come to the club, then, after the assassination?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes, sir.
Mr.Hubert. Did you ever talk to him about Ruby’s shooting Oswald?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. Did you ever hear him talk to anybody else about it?
Mr.Armstrong. No, never did. The reason why he’s got to be so popular is because he is a helper—he cracks a few jokes and the M.C.’s like to talk to him because he don’t get out of line when they talk to him, and he is usually called on during the spinning of the roulette wheel, or something like that, and if he won a bottle of champagne or something like that, it was a big thing.
Mr.Hubert. Was he employed by the club?
Mr.Armstrong. No, he wasn’t employed, he was just a regular customer that has very nice conduct and has a good sense of humor.
Mr.Hubert. In other words, the M.C.’s figure they can always get a kick out of him, which would amuse the audience?
Mr.Armstrong. Right.
Mr.Hubert. Now, I show you a picture which is marked for identification as Exhibit 5303-1, and ask you if that is not that same fat man on the right-hand middle of the picture, with a white shirt, with his right hand on his hip and the left hand leaning on the stage right by the microphone?
Mr.Armstrong. Right.
Mr.Hubert. That’s the man, Tiny, that you have identified as being in Exhibit 5303-A; is that correct?
Mr.Armstrong. Right.
Mr.Hubert. And while we are looking at Exhibit 5303-I, who is the girl dancing there?
Mr.Armstrong. Kathy Kay.
Mr.Hubert. Do you recognize anybody else in the picture?
Mr.Armstrong. The waitress over there.
Mr.Hubert. You mean the one with the white blouse?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. And she has dark hair; you can’t see her face, but you can see the back of her figure.
Mr.Armstrong. I think it’s Bonnie.
Mr.Hubert. Bonnie who?
Mr.Armstrong. Bonnie Kelley is all I know.
Mr.Hubert. That girl you are identifying is in the left middle of the picture; right?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Right behind the man with the gray suit and with his left hand by his mouth and a cigarette in his left hand; is that right?
Mr.Armstrong. That’s correct; and this is Tiny’s usual position—his usual sitting position—he always gets this table right here [indicating].
Mr.Hubert. Now, I wish you would just take these pictures, starting with Exhibit 5303-B, and just state for the record who is in the picture that you know, identifying each of the particular frames, by saying whether it is in the top row, second row, third row, or fourth row, and then whether it is on the left-hand side, the middle, or the right-hand side.
Mr.Armstrong. On the top row on the left-hand side is Tammi True. On the top row in the middle is Tammi True.
Mr.Hubert. Well, now, perhaps we could shorten this by putting it this way: On this number of pictures, 12 to be exact, of Exhibit 5303-B, the girl who is doing the act is Tammi True—right—in all of them?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. It isn’t?
Mr.Armstrong. On the series of pictures in the left line down from the top to bottom and in the middle from top to bottom is Tammi True. The pictures on the right-hand side—the brighter pictures—are Joy Dale.
Mr.Hubert. All four of them?
Mr.Armstrong. All four of them.
Mr.Hubert. On the right-hand side?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. You have identified the pictures on Exhibit 5303-B?
Mr.Armstrong. Right.
Mr.Hubert. Now, will you look at Exhibit 5303-C? There are 12 pictures on that, and they are all the same girl?
Mr.Armstrong. They are all the same girl, Kathy Kay.
Mr.Hubert. Do you recognize anyone else in there?
Mr.Armstrong. No one else.
Mr.Hubert. Now, take Exhibit 5303-D. There are 12 pictures in that and they are all of the same girl?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes; they are all the same girl.
Mr.Hubert. Who is she?
Mr.Armstrong. Little Lynn.
Mr.Hubert. Now, I’ll ask you to look at Exhibit 5303-E. There are 12 pictures on that, showing various poses of a girl, is it all the same girl?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes; all the same girl.
Mr.Hubert. Who is it?
Mr.Armstrong. Joy Dale.
Mr.Hubert. Is there anybody else in there you recognize?
Mr.Armstrong. No one else.
Mr.Hubert. Then, take the next picture, which has been identified as Exhibit 5303-F, also consisting of 12 pictures, except that in the second row the middle picture is blank, so that there are really only 11 pictures, and I ask you if the same girl is in all those pictures; that is to say, the dancer?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. Well, then, let’s take the left-hand row from top to bottom. Is it the same girl in those four pictures?
Mr.Armstrong. Same girl.
Mr.Hubert. Who is that?
Mr.Armstrong. Kathy Kay.
Mr.Hubert. And in the middle series there is a top picture and the next one down is blank and then the third and fourth rows from the top, there are two others—who is in those pictures?
Mr.Armstrong. Kathy Kay.
Mr.Hubert. In all of them?
Mr.Armstrong. All of them.
Mr.Hubert. Then, move to the right-hand row; there are four pictures from the top down, and will you identify them? Are they different girls in those pictures?
Mr.Armstrong. No; that’s Little Lynn.
Mr.Hubert. They are all of Little Lynn?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Is there anybody else in there you recognize in those pictures?
Mr.Armstrong. Just a waitress in the bottom picture.
Mr.Hubert. In the bottom right-hand picture; right?
Mr.Armstrong. Right.
Mr.Hubert. The girl with dark glasses on, on the right-hand side of that picture?
Mr.Armstrong. Correct.
Mr.Hubert. Does she have shorts on, or something?
Mr.Armstrong. She has some white slacks on.
Mr.Hubert. And a black sweater?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Who is that?
Mr.Armstrong. Bonnie Kelley.
Mr.Hubert. I think that’s the girl you identified in a previous picture; is that right?
Mr.Armstrong. Right.
Mr.Hubert. Anybody else you recognize?
Mr.Armstrong. No; no one else.
Mr.Hubert. Now, I show you a group of 12 pictures identified as Exhibit 5303-G, and ask you if the same girl is in all of those pictures?
Mr.Armstrong. The same girl.
Mr.Hubert. Who is the girl?
Mr.Armstrong. Tammi True.
Mr.Hubert. Anybody else you recognize in any of those pictures?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. Then, I show you an exhibit marked 5303-H, also a group of 12 pictures, and ask you to start with the row of 4 pictures on the right-hand side from the top to the bottom; who is in those 4 pictures?
Mr.Armstrong. Kathy Kay.
Mr.Hubert. Kathy Kay?
Mr.Armstrong. No, no; on the right-hand side?
Mr.Hubert. On the right-hand side.
Mr.Armstrong. No; this is Joy Dale.
Mr.Hubert. She is in all four of those?
Mr.Armstrong. All four of them.
Mr.Hubert. Now, take the middle row; who is the girl in those?
Mr.Armstrong. Kathy Kay.
Mr.Hubert. Do you recognize the man?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. No; the left-hand row of four pictures—the two from the top—the first and second pictures from the top, can you identify those people?
Mr.Armstrong. Kathy Kay.
Mr.Hubert. Now, the lower pictures on the left-hand row; there are two people, a man and a girl; who are they?
Mr.Armstrong. That’s Kathy Kay; I don’t know who the man is.
Mr.Hubert. Was he employed by the club?
Mr.Armstrong. No.
Mr.Hubert. Now, Mr. Armstrong, we have been taking your deposition all day and it is now 5:15 p.m., and I suggest that we adjourn and that you come back Thursday morning—can you do that—or Thursday afternoon?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. Can you come in without any further notice on Thursday, April 16?
Mr.Armstrong. Yes.
Mr.Hubert. All right; we will recess your deposition until that time and complete it on Thursday, April 16.