Mr.Specter. What was the reason for leaving the Dallas Police Department?
Mr.Olsen. I wanted to come to California.
Mr.Specter. Nobody at the Dallas Police Department asked you to leave?
Mr.Olsen. Yes, sir.
Mr.Specter. Who asked you to leave the Police Department?
Mr.Olsen. Chief Curry.
Mr.Specter. What was the reason for that?
Mr.Olsen. I was out of sick time; in other words, you are allotted so much sick time a year, and he didn’t want to extend me any more.
Mr.Specter. Was that the only reason why he asked you to terminate your employment with the police department?
Mr.Olsen. That was one of the reasons.
Mr.Specter. Was there any other reason?
(Long pause.)
Mr.Olsen. I don’t remember exactly what was said.
Mr.Specter. Was there any special reason why you went to California?
Mr.Olsen. We heard the climate was nice out here.
Mr.Specter. Do you know a Bertha Cheek? Does that name ring a bell with you?
Mr.Olsen. Yes, sir.
Mr.Specter. Who is she?
Mr.Olsen. I have heard the name. Can you help me a little bit with it?
Mr.Specter. Well, do you recollect anything about her at this moment?
Mr.Olsen. No, sir; I have heard the name, though.
Mr.Specter. Did you tell Bertha Cheek that Ruby was looking for a partner?
Mr.Olsen. Well, who is Bertha Cheek?
Mr.Specter. You just don’t recollect?
Mr.Olsen. Did I tell Bertha Cheek that Ruby was looking for a partner?
Mr.Specter. Yes.
Mr.Olsen. Not that I remember.
Mr.Specter. Did Ruby ever room at Bertha Cheek’s apartment building?
Mr.Olsen. Well, where is that?
Mr.Specter. Well, do you know of any Bertha Cheek who has an apartment building in Dallas?
Mr.Olsen. Does she have the one on Gaston?
Mr.Specter. Did Ruby ever room at an apartment building on Gaston?
Mr.Olsen. Not that I know of, no.
Mr.Specter. From the time President Kennedy was assassinated through the rest of that Friday and Saturday and Sunday did you see or talk to Little Lynn?
Mr.Olsen. No.
Mr.Specter. Bruce Carlin, during that same time?
Mr.Olsen. Who?
Mr.Specter. Bruce Carlin. I notice a quizzical look on your face. Do you know who Bruce Carlin is?
Mr.Olsen. No; can you help me?
Mr.Specter. No; I am not able to do that. Did you see or talk to Tammi True?
Mr.Olsen. Not that I remember.
Mr.Specter. Do you know Tammi True?
Mr.Olsen. Yes.
Mr.Specter. Did you see or talk to Ralph Paul from November 22d through to November 24th?
Mr.Olsen. I don’t believe so.
Mr.Specter. Do you know Tom Howard?
Mr.Olsen. Yes.
Mr.Specter. Did you see or talk to Tom Howard from the time of the assassination until the following Sunday?
Mr.Olsen. No.
Mr.Specter. Did you see or talk to Breck Wall during that same period of time?
Mr.Olsen. No.
Mr.Specter. Did you see or talk to George Senator from November 22d through the 24th?
Mr.Olsen. No, sir.
Mr.Specter. You know who George Senator is?
Mr.Olsen. Yes, sir.
Mr.Specter. Do you know Mickey Ryan?
(Witness shaking head.)
Mr.Specter. Let the record show thatMr.——
Mr.Olsen. No, sir.
Mr.Specter. Olsen is shaking his head “No,†and now he has said “No.†Do you know Blackie Harrison?
Mr.Olsen. I believe, if it’s the one I’m thinking of.
Mr.Specter. Are you thinking of one who is an officer on the Police Department?
Mr.Olsen. Yes, sir.
Mr.Specter. Did you see or talk to Blackie Harrison from the time of the assassination to the Sunday after that?
Mr.Olsen. No, sir.
Mr.Specter. Do you know Lieutenant Butler?
Mr.Olsen. Yes, sir.
Mr.Specter. Did you see or talk to Lieutenant Butler from the assassination until the 24th of November?
Mr.Olsen. No, sir; I don’t believe so.
Mr.Specter. Did you see or talk to Detective L. D. Miller from the assassination until November 24th?
Mr.Olsen. Not that I remember; no, sir.
Mr.Specter. Do you know Tom O’Grady?
Mr.Olsen. I might know him by sight, but I don’t know him from the name.
Mr.Specter. Did Ralph Paul ever tell you that Ruby said he was going to shoot Oswald?
Mr.Olsen. No, not that I remember.
Mr.Specter. Did you ever hear of Oswald before the assassination of President Kennedy?
Mr.Olsen. No, sir.
Mr.Specter. Did you ever see Oswald before the assassination of President Kennedy?
Mr.Olsen. Not that I remember.
Mr.Specter. Do you know at all whether Ruby knew Oswald prior to the assassination?
Mr.Olsen. I don’t know.
Mr.Specter. Do you know Eugene Smith?
Mr.Olsen. I don’t remember. I might know him if I would see him.
Mr.Specter. Do you know whether Ruby knew anyone by the name of Eugene Smith?
Mr.Olsen. No, I don’t.
Mr.Specter. Do you know whether Ruby was a member of any subversive organization; that is, an organization which advocates the forceful overthrow of the U.S. Government?
Mr.Olsen. To my knowledge, he was never a member of anything like that.
Mr.Specter. Do you know whether any of his friends or family were members of such an organization?
Mr.Olsen. I don’t know.
Mr.Specter. Do you know whether Ruby associated with any of the criminal element.
Mr.Olsen. Yes, sir.
Mr.Specter. Did he ever associate with any of the criminal element?
Mr.Olsen. I think he did in Chicago.
Mr.Specter. What, is the basis for your saying that?
Mr.Olsen. I had heard that he had been with a gang in Chicago.
Mr.Specter. Who told you that?
Mr.Olsen. Oh, it could have been Ruby himself.
Mr.Specter. Do you recall for sure whether or not it was Ruby who told you that?
Mr.Olsen. I recall that he did—he had said something about being with a—or, how rough Chicago used to be.
Mr.Specter. Well, did he say anything beyond how rough it was, to the effect that he was with a criminal gang or anything of that sort?
Mr.Olsen. No, sir.
Mr.Specter. Do you know anything about Ruby’s trip to Cuba?
Mr.Olsen. Yes, sir.
Mr.Specter. What do you know about that?
Mr.Olsen. He said he was going to Cuba to get acts.
Mr.Specter. To get what?
Mr.Olsen. Acts.
Mr.Specter. A-c-t-s?
Mr.Olsen. Yes.
Mr.Specter. For his nightclub?
Mr.Olsen. Yes.
Mr.Specter. When did he go to Cuba, if you remember?
Mr.Olsen. I remember when he went, but I don’t remember the date.
Mr.Specter. Was there any other purpose that you know about in Ruby’s going to Cuba?
Mr.Olsen. No. He seemed to be quiet about it.
Mr.Specter. Do you know anything about Ruby’s attitude toward the John Birch Society?
Mr.Olsen. No, sir.
Mr.Specter. Do you know anything about his attitude toward the Minutemen?
Mr.Olsen. No, sir.
Mr.Specter. Did you ever hear Ruby say anything about the sign on impeaching Chief Justice Earl Warren?
Mr.Olsen. Would you repeat that?
Mr.Specter. Did you ever hear Ruby say anything about a sign or advertisement which said “Impeach Chief Justice Earl Warren of the U.S. Supreme Court�
Mr.Olsen. He could have said something about it, but I don’t remember. I think that he did.
Mr.Specter. Off the record for just a minute.
(There was a discussion off the record.)
Mr.Specter. Do you have anything to add which you think would be helpful to the President’s Commission in any way, Mr. Olsen?
Mr.Olsen. I wish I did. If I did, I would tell you.
Mr.Specter. But you don’t?
Mr.Olsen. Not that I can think of.
Mr.Specter. All right. Now, under the procedure of the Commission, Mr. Olsen, we can make this deposition transcript available to you to read and to sign, if you want to, or you can forego your right to do that on what is called a waiver.
Would you like to read and sign the deposition; that is, this record?
Mr.Olsen. Should I?
Mr.Specter. Well, it’s up to you. If you want to, you can, it’s up to you. There is some doubt in your mind, so I think we will make it available to you to read and to sign.
Mr.Olsen. OK.
Mr.Specter. Thank you very much for coming, Mr. Olsen, and that concludes the deposition.
(There was a discussion off the record.)
Mr.Specter. Let’s go back on the record just a minute.
Mr. Olsen, did we have a brief conversation before I administered the oath to you and the court reporter started to take down my questions and your answers?
Mr.Olsen. Yes, sir.
Mr.Specter. And did I cover in a general way the questions which I have since asked you on the record?
Mr.Olsen. Yes, sir.
Mr.Specter. And did you give me the same information which you have given on the record?
Mr.Olsen. Yes, sir.
Mr.Specter. Thank you.